muziek
Muziek is voor ons relaxen: nu en dan eens naar een liveshow gaan, thuis een cd-tje opleggen en ook het verzamelen van livemuziek van allerlei artiesten.
Onze interesse is breed en laat zich niet in één doosje stoppen: van symfonische progrockers over energieke gitaarrockers en bluesy gitaargoden naar zware jongens en meiden tot muziektechnische hoogbegaafde progmetalfreaks.
Genesis, Gentle Giant, Rush, Flower Kings, Moongarden, Anekdoten, Beardfish, Pink Floyd, Marillion, Fish, Mindgames, Simon Says, Rick Wakeman, Anathema, Porcupine Tree, The Watch, The Musical Box, The Australian Pink Floyd Show, Metallica, King Crimson, Karma Depth, Division by Zero, Spock's Beard, Pendragon, Foo Fighters, Buffalo Tom, Pearl Jam, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Tool, Arena, Tempestt, Animations, Riverside, Awake, Kamelot, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Black Sabbath, Indukti, Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation, Dominici, Thought Chamber, Ozomati, IQ, Managala Valis, Conception, Faith No More, Panopticum, Channel Zero, Henry Rollins
Afhankelijk van de gemoedstoestand kan daar ook een zware brok klassiek of opera bijkomen, een hete latin, een zwoele soul, wat coole jazz of een swingende crooner uit de oude doos.
Update - Genesis - Turn it on Again Tour 2007

Ik ben al heel lang fan van GENESIS, al meer dan 25 jaar! Als jonge tiener was 'Shapes - Genesis' een van de eerste lp's die ik ooit kocht (1983), waarna ik terug ging in de tijd en hun lp's uit de jaren zeventig (prog rock!) ook aanschafte.
Jim en ik hadden Genesis al eens aan het werk gezien in 1992 in Köln, tijdens hun We Can't Dance Tour, en in november 2006 werd de onverwachte reunie van Genesis aangekondigd (in de bezetting van 1976-1993)!
![]() |
|
De toer ging van start op 11 juni in Helsinki. Maar voor mij ging de toer al vroeger van start :-)
Jaja, als het op Genesis aankomt dan zou ik wel een beetje perspectief kunnen verliezen, maar ja, dat heet dan ook ‘fan’ zijn.
Ik wist dat de production rehearsals doorgingen in Brussel, in Hal 5 van de Expo (daar was de hele stage opgezet, scherm en belichting uittesten, hele show oefenen omdat het een zo'n grote hal is). Ik dacht, je weet maar nooit, en zo ging ik eind mei na het werk wel eens naar daar kijken en luisteren (nu ja, meer dan eens....).
|

Genesis 2007
vlnr: Chester Thompson, Mike Rutherford, Phil Collins, Tony Banks, Daryl Stuermer
Maar nog meer... Samen met de enige twee andere fans daar aanwezig naar centrum Brussel, aan hun hotel gewacht. We voelden ons allemaal opnieuw tiener ;-).
En jawel hoor, met succes gewacht! Samen op de foto met Mike Rutherford (basgitaar + gitaar), Tony Banks (keyboards) + Daryl Stuermer (gitarist live optredens sedert 1977). En handtekeningen van hen gekregen op mijn lp Trick of the Tail (1976). Ze waren heel vriendelijk en namen kalm de tijd om te signeren. Daryl vroeg of wij diegenen waren die hij net daarvoor aan de uitgang van de Expo gezien had. Jawel!

Trui (aka - behindthelines), Daryl Stuermer, Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford,
Jean-Louis and Denis (van het Franse forum)
De dag erna ook Chester Thompsom (drummer bij live shows) en Phil Collins en opnieuw Mike Rutherford gezien, maar dat was kort. Enkele foto's van de dag erna zie je hieronder. Ook de manager Tony Smith, die even later wegzoefde met zijn sportkar, gezien (was ook heel vriendelijk).
Dit was dus de perfecte aanloop naar de TIOA tour ... Aangezien het al 15 jaar geleden was dat we GENESIS nog live gezien hadden, en het wellicht wel de laatste keer zou zijn, besloten we om toch naar meer dan één concert van de tour te gaan. Zodoende hebben we hen aan het werk gezien in achtereenvolgens Hamburg, Brussel, Dusseldorf, Parijs, Berlijn en op Live Earth in London en tenslotte in Twickenham (net buiten London). Het was fantastisch, maar veel te rap voorbij ;-)
Hieronder enkele foto's van de optredens. De foto's van de city trips - buiten de optredens vind je hier. Hieronder is telkens mijn 'verslagje' bijgevoegd, zoals ik het op het Genesis forum gepost heb, zijnde 'behindthelines' (dus was wel voor een ander publiek bestemd, maar zo heb je wel een idee). Jimmy heeft op de meeste shows ook telkens een nummer gefilmd met zijn GSM, wat we dan op you tube gepost hebben.
PS: Behind the Lines is een nummer van Genesis (LP Duke - 1980), en één van mijn lievelingsnummers. En tot mijn groot genoegen was het ook het openingsnummer van deze toer!
![]() |
Setlist Turn it on Again Tour (2007 - Europa) |
In het voorjaar van 2008 kwam de DVD uit van Genesis "When in Rome' met het optreden van juli 2007 in Rome. Daarbij zit ook een DVD met een documentaire over de aanloop naar de optredens (de repetities etc) genaamd 'Come Rain or Shine'. En jawel hoor, Trui staat er op! Het is dan wel maar anderhalve seconde, maar toch op beeld vereeuwigd in de Genesis geschiedenis!
Genesis - Hamburg, AOL Arena - 15 06 2007
fantastisch, eerste show in 15 jaar, zolang hierop gewacht! goede plaatsen,
kletsnat op weg naar hotel na de show, maar voldaan ...
2 filmpjes op You tube: In the Cage + Cinema show/Afterglow
Don't let these few remarks give a wrong impression of the show!! It was GREAT!!
afterwards, we did get totally wet to the bone walking back to the hotel (it just started raining again when we left!)
and PS (but who cares, when seeing G after 15 years for the first time, but nonetheless) culinary speaking, Hamburg was a desolate place for us, ok, many many hamburgers and würste (sausages - even pferde würste), but being vegetarians, we didn't find a ' quick' meal without any animals in it!)
Genesis, yeah TIOA!!
Genesis rocks!!!!
+ if you want to see some photo's of the G-merchandise at the Tour, I posted them in the merchandise thread on the general discussion
+ hubbie managed to film the whole In the cage medley with his mobile - will be posting it soon!
some more pics to follow in this thread
Genesis - Brussel, K. Boudewijnstadium - 24 06 2007
in de golden circle (pitch), zeer dichtbij, goede show, maar slechte organisatie van Sherpa
2 filmpjes op You tube: Ripples + drum duet
reporting from Brussels- great show, despite empty seats Got back from Brussels safely at 1.30 AM, smooth ride (90 km). |
Being in the pitch, you are really close to the band, you can even hear Phil or Chester count the 'one - two - three - four count' intro into the songs, but you miss a lot of the light and screen show, which I think is great as well. So it both has it's upshots.
The stadium wasn't full by any means. I think certainly a couple of thousand places still available. Being in the pitch, it was hard to get an overview, but we could certainly see many empty seats in the stands... Pity!! It didn't seem to affect the atmosphere though, although up front gives a different view of course. The Domino Principle was in full effect, and although Phil just explained it in English, he got the stadium along. Great! So great audience participation, also during Throwing it all away, yes Joey, they haven't dropped it yet ![]()
| I feel the band was in great shape. Phil did his usual introduction in the native language, (Goeienavond and Bonsoir) however, he stopped after just this and threw his usual paper phonetic notes away, saying 'that's it for the languages' and further mainly spoke in English and some occasional French words - which he didn't need a paper for, his French is probably quite good! (you have to know: Belgium is a trilingual country: majority Flemish, then French and also German language - so it's considered delicate in this country to put the emphasis on one of these languages...). The show ran smoothly, although at the end of 2nd Home by the Sea we saw some water that had gathered up on the plastic roof over the band suddenly poor onto Mike's pedals (or close to his pedals), which seemed to give him some worries. Anyway, it was kind of frightening that his following intro into FYFM seemed awkward - quickly adjusted though, but probably the water must have had some effect there... |
At one point (can't remember the song) Phil was taking a 'break' on stage (so probably during one of the instrumental songs) and he 'found' a drum stick next to Chester's drums on the ground. Showing it to Chester: 'so what's this then?' Chester seemed to indicate 'broken' and Phil kinda nodded his head, as I to say ayayaya... Phil's voice was clean, high, great, all the high notes during MAMA were excellent. WOW! I even think he sang much better than during the FFFT shows I saw. |
It was very nice to bump in to Chocolate Surprise, Steve H. (no, not that one ;-) , Martijn De Koning, Harlequin squonk and her parents (all from the old forum - the forum just before the American press conference). It made me realize again how many people haven't joined up on here And I'm just watching a repeat of the evening news on the Belgian tele on the background, one of the headlines: 'Phil Collins is touring again with the popgroup Genesis'. POP group your reporter from Brussels (hahaha!) trui |
|
BTW: the beer cups weren't 'used' in Brussels. However, they were sold at the merchandise stalls, 10 Euro's for three together - empty ones that is (in a carton box). This makes them even more expensive then in Hamburg (2,5 Euro extra for a pint of beer!).
I took film of Ripples and drum duet - will put that up tomorrow, also some pics, too tired now...
Genesis - Dusseldorf, LTU Arena - 26 06 2007
alhoewel we bijna helemaal hoog achteraan zaten, was dit voor ons de beste show,
gesloten dak in Dusseldorf, dus prachtige licht show + goede klank, schitterend (nieuw) stadium in Dusseldorf,
samen met Mike & Anja naar ginder, leuk!
3 filmpjes op You tube: Follow You, Follow Me + Firth of Fifth + I know what I Like
Dusseldorf Concert - and then there was... Just got back from Dusseldorf (300km) drive. |

Although we were up and far away in the stands (nearly at the far end of the side stand - tribune 144), this was AWESOME. The light and screen show came out in full effect. Really, really nice, what'm saying, superb, magnificent OMG!! Even with the closed roof, the fireworks at the end of IT came out everywhere. This darkness + ligh+ screenshow and the nice overview we had from far away gave the show such a super feeling, also the sound is so much better, stonger, more full force in a 'closed' atmosphere. I feel the audience was really involved, even up and far away where we were, participating, knowing the 'old' songs as well. I don't feel Phil was in that great shape this evening, singing was good though, mama was After Mama, the audience applauded for very long, too long in Phil's mind, he jokingly looked at his watch as if to say, now that's enough, hé!? And as for CC - why it is special to the band, Phil nicely spelled it out now 'we feel it is part of the Genesis tradition' |
|
Genesis - Paris, Parc des Princes - 30 06 2007
deze keer aan de linkerkant helemaal vooraan, veel leden van het forum ontmoet, zeer goede ambiance in het stadium! filmpje op You tube (openingsong): Behind the Lines - Duke's Travels - Turn it on Again
Merci Paris - fabulous ce soir Yes a great show, yet again!! |
| What I noticed for the first time was Phil's 'singing' (or more or less chanting?) during the drum duet (when they are both already behind the drum kit). I had not noticed this before and found it very nice. I don't know whether the audience is supposed to hear this or not (and whether I heard it by accident this time, or I just hadn't noticed before?), but he surely seemed to enjoy himself doing it. So I say again, I enjoyed myself very much, loved the show, so don't let these comments make you think otherwise. Mike had some serious guitar problems during Land of Confusion (about ? of the song), and then again it took a whole while into Home by the Sea before again his guitar was up again. Maybe somebody else can explain it better in the appropriate musicology terms ;-) |
Here are some photos, if you want to say it's you up there, please do, if not, well then ... obviously not ;-)
If somebody wants some in the original format, let me know.
Marie, please tell me the photo your daughter (I guess that young lady was your daughter?) took of the two of us turned out a bit better (I'm kinda having my eyes wrong)
Silversquonk, did we meet yesterday evening? I remember all the faces of people I saw and talked too, but cannot put names to all of them anymore...
will put my video up in a minute (show opener this time!). What I still find very strange is that during the opening song-medley, the side videoscreens are in black and white. The first show in Hamburg, I thought there was something wrong with the screens
It was fun!! T.
Genesis - Berlin, Olympia stadium - 03 07 2007
in het historische Olympia stadium, leuke city trip in Berlijn - fantastische stad!
heel bedeesd publiek op het optreden, maar goede show
2 filmpjes op You tube: Domino part 1 + Domino part 2
Berlin my experience + photos + videos Just got back from Berlin late this evening. Wow, what a great city, we had a lovely time there, it was the first time we ever been there, but it sure feels like going back there! Lots to see and do, everything very well organised, easy public transport and lots of place to have a good meal (even for veggies - which is a first for us in Germany!). Although I twisted my ankle (for the zillionth time! ouch) just after walking about 5 minutes in Berlin, I still managed to walk around plenty and do lots of sightseeing ....
What I found very interesting were the masses of swallows around the stadium, with some nests attached to the upper sides of the outside stadium. Nice spectacle! Also the Olympic swimming pool just next to the stadium, with people still swimming and diving... The stadium gradually filled up, but I don't think it was totally full house, during the show I could still see some empty places, sometimes nearly full rows empty. The newspaper review we read in the Berliner newspaper on Thursday (a very positive review actually) spoke of about 60.000 people being there. I think the stadium can hold nearly 80.000? Before the show, there was rain, AGAIN! Phil related to this, by saying yet again 'scheisse regen' (??) and then - in between his teeth in a sighing manner 'every bloody show...'. Phil's communication with the audience was very good, he spoke a lot of German in between. The rain stopped at about the beginning of the show though. |
|
| The domino principle was again well done. Good audience participation, although the first section to start was a bit slow (this was the tribune we were in). Phil said something to the effect as 'they have to wake up first'. Hey, I screamed my lungs out and shook my arms in the air - as to the amazement of some people around me - when he said "those people over there". They soon got the hang of it. This lack of enthusiasm around me was a bit the downside of the show for me. Most people in my proximities seemed not to know any of the 'older' songs, or didn't seem to care less. 3 rows in front of u a couple of about 50 years just LEFT the show during Ripples (and no, they never came back...). The guy next to me was sometime yawning and looked at his watch from time to time. This was not fun.... But hey, it seems hard to live up to the experience of the Paris show, when we were amidst of many forum members (who of course or more aware of Genesis legacy, not?) Oh yeah, and there was a mall flaw in the right oval screen. Seems a small section wasn't working properly, yes Mr Woodruff, we noticed! They should fix it soon, because sometimes it was annoying. |
But overall I thought the Berlin show was great of course. Pfew. It's hard to realize that time is passing so quickly now
, and Twickenham is already there in 3 days time (my last show), gosh I'm gonna cry. This is the end... ![]()
London, Live Earth - 07 07 2007 +
Genesis - Twickenham, Stadium - 08 07 2007
beetje anti-climax in UK, goede optredens op Live Earth en Genesis de dag erna in Twickenham, maar heel veel zatte mensen op de optredens... wel leuk om forumleden te ontmoeten voor de Genesis show !
Not so nice UK concerts (Live Earth + Twickenham) + photos Got back yesterday from the UK, we were at Live Earth on Saturday and at the Genesis show in Twickenham on Sunday. All in all, we had a good time, but many disappointing things led my husband to conclude never to go to a concert show in England again (I tend to agree), and I must also join him in adding that we never saw so many drunken people together at a show, kinda ruining the experience for us! |
A note on Live Earth. I thought it was a sham. Some parts we were in the pitch, sometimes we sat down at the side rear tribune (left and right).
- people just didn't listen to the messages in between show appearances. One very shameful moment was when an African lady - dressed in traditional ethnic attire - was up front talking about the effects of climate change on their way of life - and soooooo many people yapping right through this. ![]()
- ecologically friendly organised? I doubt it, litter everywhere, the rubbish bins being filled ad random with mixed goods and after a while just not being filled (or emptied) anymore...
- why were no NGO's allowed into the stadium grounds? The only stalls were Live Earth merchandise and food and drink. And some sponsors of course. Missed opportunity IMO.
- the food and drink were terribly expensive and plain junk food (fish and chips 8,5 pounds)
- no vegetarian food available - despite vegetarian message on the screen (that was a good one though, images of s*h*itt*ing animals, close ups of this - production of methane etc). I think we were about the only ones in our block listening to this - preaching to the converted...
- many, many drunken people. Man, I cannot see the fun in this. Beercups (still with beer in them) thrown up in the air in the pitch. Ladies (ahum, not quite an appropriate word I think) zigzagging their way through or barely being able to stand and waffling or screaming some words to the songs. Lads showing their most macho side - smt scary appearances ...
- the Genesis setlist was disappointing with IT in it... I feel Genesis was a bit miscast in comparison with the other acts of the day. They surely didn't fit in there, but then again, where do they fit in? Phil's micro didn't seem to work properly all the time and it seemed to me that there were (again) guitar problems during Land of Confusion. The stadium was still half empty, with many people just coming in later. The crowd reception seemed accordingly tepid.
- Metallica + Foofighters were good, Spinal Tap was fun with the bass guitars lined up. Peppers seemed to have some disputes on stage?
- Of course, the thing that blew us away was Pussycat dolls and Madonna ;-))
Anyway, we were a bit puzzled, dazzled, confused by the whole day, but managed to get back to the hotel very smoothly and I was in full anticipation of the next day for the Genesis show at Twickenham.
Got at Twickenham about 4 o'clock, went to the Barmy arms pub and was nice having some drinks and talking to other G-fans. Nice and fun! thanks all you guys and girls! Left to the stadium at about 5.30. The stadium at Twickenham is nice, and it was indeed a full house! |
| We had a good view on stage (B2), far enough to be able to enjoy the whole stage and not so close that you have to tilt your head backwards to look up to the guys. However, while the rest of the stadium was gradually filling up, the rows in front of us kept empty (??). I guess these were VIP tickets, because these people arrived just before the show started (and many during the first songs) and had wine drinks with them... Most of them looked totally uninterested, snobbish and talked all the way through or left before the end of the show. After having addressed one of the yapping guys in front of us to please keep it down and that we are here to enjoy the show (to no avail) we decided to go back a couple of rows just after Afterglow, there were plenty empty seats up there. The atmosphere was better there, a more knowledgeable crowd, cheering fans. Thank god. However, many same scenes as at Live Earth. The lady standing at the end of the row was half naked, barefooted and soooo drunk. She went up and down the hall (dancing?), seemingly having the time of her life, the stewards (or what's their name?) even had fun with her, coming up to have a chat with her and her friend, messin' about, laughing out loud... At some point a lady in front of me decided to stand up on her chair, blocking the view for many others. Also up there, I noticed the many people talking throughout the show, not being interested, and well, gradually getting pissed drink after drink...Pfew. |
| About the show itself: - the sound quality in the stadium was pretty good I feel - very good show I think, although my husband and I both had the idea that Phil's voice seemed slightly less good than on previous shows we've seen. His voice just didn't get through on some of the higher notes this time. (eg at the end of FYFM - he had obvious problems there). - I expected the band (well Phil's interaction with the audience) to be more spontaneous in front of their home crowd. I thought he was going to be more relaxed (speaking native language), but that wasn't the case. It were the same jokes in just the same way. Some additions ('we cannot play too long because we have to get back to the home' - referring to their old age and 'a song from a time when some of you still had hair' and smt about the rain and the BBC which I couldn't quite understand). Probably I have a too idealized image watching video footage from 20+ years ago, when they were much younger, and much more energetic it seems.... It didn't bother me that much during the previous shows, but I had too high expectations for this show. - starting at 7.45 pm made that darkness only set in at a later stage in the show, a pity (eg in Brussels they only started at about 9pm) |
So I was disappointed. It even seemed to me at one point thereafter, I had lost the magic of Genesis. The chemistry was gone, it was no longer special, it had turned into a vulgar show entertainment spectacle for the uninterested masses... I did found the magic back on the trainride with Eurostar to Brussels though, listening to my live recordings of Genesis on my MP3. It seemed pure again. |
I don't want this to be all negative, and although this has already gotten far too long, some positive thoughts to add:
- public transport getting there and back afterwards was well organized. No problems there, although the underground door just shut in ours faces at Waterloo station, so walked another half an hour to get to the hotel. |
And foremost:
Getting to meet some of you guys at the pub before the show made it a very nice experience indeed. A pleasure meeting you all: Steve Hammond and family, Cosmic Lawnmower and Cynthia's Mallet, Original Genesis fan! Dorsetbay, and this peculiar guy with a Flower Kings T-shirt, now who was that again, ah of course, Nov ;-)
(sorry if I didn't spell the names correctly). Thanks, it was really nice!
So here are some photos. I PM you guys the links of more photos of the pub meeting.
En zo was ook onze vakantie voorbij... Het is allemaal heel rap voorbij gegaan, maar de reunie die een jaartje geleden nog onmogelijk leek, is er dan toch van gekomen! Fantastisch! En de update met onze reisfotos kan je hier (travel in Europe) zien.
naar Stevie Wonder, september 2008
Het was al een hele tijd geleden dat Stevie Wonder nog in Europa opgetreden had, en lange tijd zag het er uit dat hij nooit meer in Europa ging toeren. Toen kort geleden de data van een beperkte Europese tournee werden aangekondigd waren we er dan ook als de kippen bij om kaarten te kopen.
Het optreden in Köln was goed, maar toch bleven we daarna een beetje op ons honger zitten. Het optreden in de Bercy in Parijs maakte dat echter 1000x goed: FAN-TAS-TISCH!!! Funky, groovy, signed sealed, delivered I'm yours!!!
Voor wie Stevie Wonder alleen maar zou associëren met liedjes als I just call to say I love you (toegegeven...), de funk zit hem vooral in nummers als Superstition, Living for the city, Sir Duke, Higher Ground, en nog zovele meer.
2009 Verviers, Spirit of 66
In februari zijn we naar een optreden van een Genesis tribute band in Verviers geweest. Het optreden was zeer leuk, de club Spirit of 66 ook gezellig, uitstapje Verviers best OK, maar de Bed & Breakfeast in Verviers was een grote tegenvaller! Zie de foto's hieronder... Wij vonden dit helemaal geen 'luxekamer' zoals de gastheer het ons voorstelde... B&B Zedda in Verviers, naar onze mening te mijden! In maart zijn we nogmaals naar Verviers geweest, maar dan hebben we overnacht in een bescheiden hotelletje aan het station met een leuke art-nouveau brasserie erbij. Stukken beter!
































































